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From: finger@granite.ciw.edu
Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock
Message-Id: <27Apr95.013131.3009@granite.ciw.edu>
Date: 27 Apr 95 01:31:31 GMT
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In article <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>,
>Mark H Pearson <markp@earlham.edu> wrote:
>>I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times
>>already, but ...
>>
>Yes, more times than can be counted, each and every day.
>
>>I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College.
>>However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a
>>pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor,
>>then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the
>>score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and
>>uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo ....
>>
>Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it.
>This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the
>funds or programmer time to do it.
>
>We could not possibly be more aware of the demand.
>
>>I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what
>>the 'official' line on this is.
>>
>There is no Beta Kermit for Windows from Columbia.
>
>>It's my humble opinion that even
>>though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220
>>/ VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support,
>>scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all.
>>
>We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything
>you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting,
>character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact
>built-in TCP/IP protocol stack.
>
>But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, and because of
>the rules of PC networking, we can't have Winsock and another TCP/IP
>stack active at the same time, nor can MS-DOS Kermit "use" Winsock
>because Kermit is a DOS application -- a "Windows-aware" DOS
>application, but still not a "native" Windows application.
>
>Here is the official response from Kermit headquarters: as much as we
>do NOT appreciate being jerked around by the Microsoft "standard" du
>jour, we do appreciate that millions of PC users are hostage to it, and
>we will do our best to accommodate -- until the next time the rug is
>pulled out from underneath us. In the meantime, sites that have
>thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because
>Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to
>help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The
>situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can
>ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion
>of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a
>giant bag of free goodies.
>
>If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for
>a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to
>Kermit.
>
>- Frank
Obviously, somebody jumped on Frank today.
I would not dismiss the use of a packet driver, PKTMUX and as many
PKTDRV stubs as you need. We use that setup with TCP/IP Kermit,
NCSA Telnet and winsock compliant apps. If you also use QEMM, none
of that takes ANY low memory and it is stable.
I too would like a Windows native version of Kermit AND I'm willing
to contribute some money. Where do I send the check?
Larry W. Finger
finger@granite.ciw.edu